Can anyone out there please assist with a copy of their rego papers for an FB? The DPI claim that their info from GMH states the weight of an FB as 1068kg , therefore unable to use 5litre conversion. Just their way of dicking everyone around, we all know it can be done, has been done etc.
Figured if i had a copy of rego paper with their given weight, which i expect to be around 1130kg, this would dispute their figures.
Have done the norm and contacted GMH, no archives pre HQ.
Just returned from summernats, cant believe this is one nation, after seeing what is allowed in other states.
Thanks, Leigh.
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FB registration weight
I would rather work on a Morris 1100 than use a computer !!!!!!
fb weights
Thanks Blacky,
I put up all the weights for FB from the General............ but in lbs...
frats,
Rosco
I put up all the weights for FB from the General............ but in lbs...
frats,
Rosco
fc wagon weight
Do a search on the dpi website they have the calculation formula there.
My fc wagon has an original weight of 1149kgs, and it is licensed for a 307...in wa.
They go off the factory weight not the actual weight.
steve
My fc wagon has an original weight of 1149kgs, and it is licensed for a 307...in wa.
They go off the factory weight not the actual weight.
steve
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Thanks blokes !
Yes, i have searched and downloaded various weights and info. Most weights given around 1133kg for special sedan, but was looking for something of an official nature. Thats why i figured rego papers could be a source.
Being the DPI, unless it is an official GMH letterhead it means very little.
Thanks for your info Ben, at 1118kg for wagon less 50kg which is a common difference between sedan/wagon across the net, this once again brings us back to 1068kg which DPI state as FB sedan weight.
Find that very hard to believe ! And if thats the case, maximum capacity would be 4.272 litres, which is as satisfying as two containers of orange juice and a cup of coffee.
Guess i'll just have to take a different angle. Surprised that with all the info available, someone hasn't put a format into place for various modifications.
Appreciate your input, will keep you posted.
Thanks, Leigh.
Yes, i have searched and downloaded various weights and info. Most weights given around 1133kg for special sedan, but was looking for something of an official nature. Thats why i figured rego papers could be a source.
Being the DPI, unless it is an official GMH letterhead it means very little.
Thanks for your info Ben, at 1118kg for wagon less 50kg which is a common difference between sedan/wagon across the net, this once again brings us back to 1068kg which DPI state as FB sedan weight.
Find that very hard to believe ! And if thats the case, maximum capacity would be 4.272 litres, which is as satisfying as two containers of orange juice and a cup of coffee.
Guess i'll just have to take a different angle. Surprised that with all the info available, someone hasn't put a format into place for various modifications.
Appreciate your input, will keep you posted.
Thanks, Leigh.
I would rather work on a Morris 1100 than use a computer !!!!!!
ova the last couple of years the laws regarding these conversions have changed.Blacky wrote:I spoke to a bloke at Big Als poker run last year who had a EK sedan fitted with a 350 and he assured me it was legal with that motor.
Have you spoken to an engineer ??
if you have a predated aproval in theory for the conversing or the car has already been engineered with the larger motor your laughing.
if not you'll need to see a aproved engineer to see whats needed for the conversion. expect the requirements to be extensive.
don't even bother talking to the transport department as you'll get the run around at no advantage.
cheers tom
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G'Day Blokes,
Have spoken to a couple of engineers previously, trying to find one with some passion. Basically they require approval in principle before they get involved.
Laws are changing and some are bloody ridiculous eg. maximum original rim size x 1.3 (FB 4.5inch x 1.3 = 5.85 inches, HSV 9inch x 1.3 = 11.7inches, go figure, where has the slide rule gone?)
I will bend over backwards to gain approval. My original submission was probably over engineered. Yet they turn around and say "we prefer to see leaf spring suspension to triangulated 4 link as 4 link is drag orientated !" (did someone change the 4 bar system to ladder bar?)
90% of new cars run a 4 link style rear.
Sounds like you have been there and done that Tom !
The weight used is of the original vehicle from manufacturer, these weights are based on the heaviest sedan version with the largest available motor in that model regardless of body type eg. ute or wagon.
regs are, up to 800kg x 3.0 = maximum capacity
800 - 1100kg x 4.0 = maximum capacity
over 1100kg x 5.0 = maximum capacity
eg. their given weight for FB 1068kg x 4.0 = 4272cc (approx. 260ci)
(not 1133kg as given everywhere else, which would be 5665cc, approx. 344ci)
Chopped, i havent done anything yet as im a little snowed under. We hope to get some colour on the HR shortly, then can put some time in on the FB.
Was looking out for you and Blacky on Saturday.
Will keep you all posted as info comes to hand. Will do a post on V8 installation issues with authorities to help others once i find my way through the red tape.
Regards, Leigh.
Have spoken to a couple of engineers previously, trying to find one with some passion. Basically they require approval in principle before they get involved.
Laws are changing and some are bloody ridiculous eg. maximum original rim size x 1.3 (FB 4.5inch x 1.3 = 5.85 inches, HSV 9inch x 1.3 = 11.7inches, go figure, where has the slide rule gone?)
I will bend over backwards to gain approval. My original submission was probably over engineered. Yet they turn around and say "we prefer to see leaf spring suspension to triangulated 4 link as 4 link is drag orientated !" (did someone change the 4 bar system to ladder bar?)
90% of new cars run a 4 link style rear.
Sounds like you have been there and done that Tom !
The weight used is of the original vehicle from manufacturer, these weights are based on the heaviest sedan version with the largest available motor in that model regardless of body type eg. ute or wagon.
regs are, up to 800kg x 3.0 = maximum capacity
800 - 1100kg x 4.0 = maximum capacity
over 1100kg x 5.0 = maximum capacity
eg. their given weight for FB 1068kg x 4.0 = 4272cc (approx. 260ci)
(not 1133kg as given everywhere else, which would be 5665cc, approx. 344ci)
Chopped, i havent done anything yet as im a little snowed under. We hope to get some colour on the HR shortly, then can put some time in on the FB.
Was looking out for you and Blacky on Saturday.
Will keep you all posted as info comes to hand. Will do a post on V8 installation issues with authorities to help others once i find my way through the red tape.
Regards, Leigh.
I would rather work on a Morris 1100 than use a computer !!!!!!
the laws over here are bloody stupid and dont make any sense sometimes, there seems to be another set of hidden rules as plenty of people are getting stuff passed that suposidly cant be approved through normal procedures. i know leigh very well, they will have a good fight on their hands. im sure he will find a way through all this rego crap. it would be great if anyone else that has gone through this crap could share their experiences, and shed some more light on this problem.
Hmmmm I cant stress the importance of finding the right engineer if its any help Kell.
The engineering rules (I can only speak from a NSW perspective) are bullshit when viewed from a statistic perspective.
I got my EK Sedan registered in Nov 2007 with a 350 chev, 17x6 and 17x10s on the rear (I switched these back to convo pro 15s), roll cage and supercharger. I can understand how people get pissed with the way the laws are. If you find the right engineer who is willing to push the boundaries most things are possible. The right engineer will know how to help you achieve what you are after, if he says it cant be done ... find another engineer that is willing to try.
Classic example is an FJ down my way , it has a 400 chev SB in it and is registered as an LC torana as they used the full chasis and fire wall from an LC.
Dont let the registery office dictate what you can or cant have , thats the engineers job. Registery just processes his report , gives you the sticker and whacks a notication at the bottom to refer to the report. AGain this is from a NSW perspective I am presuming WA is similar.
The engineering rules (I can only speak from a NSW perspective) are bullshit when viewed from a statistic perspective.
I got my EK Sedan registered in Nov 2007 with a 350 chev, 17x6 and 17x10s on the rear (I switched these back to convo pro 15s), roll cage and supercharger. I can understand how people get pissed with the way the laws are. If you find the right engineer who is willing to push the boundaries most things are possible. The right engineer will know how to help you achieve what you are after, if he says it cant be done ... find another engineer that is willing to try.
Classic example is an FJ down my way , it has a 400 chev SB in it and is registered as an LC torana as they used the full chasis and fire wall from an LC.
Dont let the registery office dictate what you can or cant have , thats the engineers job. Registery just processes his report , gives you the sticker and whacks a notication at the bottom to refer to the report. AGain this is from a NSW perspective I am presuming WA is similar.
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