Club plate change trial

[WayneXG95]

Delegate?
Thanks mate I gathered that would happen. Cheers.

[iso007]

I have never had h plates as I like to do my own thing but this scheme got me interested. Then I find out that none of my fb and ek's are acceptable for H plates by my new club. In the cold light of day it is a bit silly for me to have to hide my car at the back or keep the bonnet closed at a show. So I need to find a club which considers my car to be as worthy as the rest of them. I have found 2 clubs in my area. Both of which will issue me with H plates and therefore I can at least consider being part of the proposed new system. I will wait and see what happens. But from my point of view, 60 drives a year would more than cover me and most of my cars have full rego at the moment so it would be a saving of some sort.

[Joe_FBHolden]

Went down to Hornsby RMS today to renew NSW club rego today and enquired about any extra info about the new conditional trial scheme, was told they know very little at this stage. Oh well will have to wait and see. $51 later and the FB is good for another 12 months.

[Dr Terry]

I have never had h plates as I like to do my own thing but this scheme got me interested. Then I find out that none of my fb and ek's are acceptable for H plates by my new club. In the cold light of day it is a bit silly for me to have to hide my car at the back or keep the bonnet closed at a show. So I need to find a club which considers my car to be as worthy as the rest of them. I have found 2 clubs in my area. Both of which will issue me with H plates and therefore I can at least consider being part of the proposed new system. I will wait and see what happens. But from my point of view, 60 drives a year would more than cover me and most of my cars have full rego at the moment so it would be a saving of some sort.

This is one aspect of the situation that I cannot understand. Why are your cars not acceptable for your new club? Either the club is unnecessarily far too strict or your car is simply not quite legal. So you want a club that will turn a blind eye to a few mods, perhaps. Maybe the new scheme is for you.

Some clubs are ridiculously strict. I know of one club that won't allow a car on H-plates if it has been repainted or re-trimmed in colours other than what appears on the body ID plate. In other words if the car was grey when it left the factory & the owner has done a full repaint but prefers a nice (factory) blue, they consider this to be modified & won't allow it on H-plates in that club.

On the other hand I know of clubs which allow cars thru with V8s, on cars which were never built with V8s. These cars are obviously illegal for H-plates. Also unless they are engineered they weren't legal on full rego either. Up until now, this type of car was not eligible for concessional rego. This is what the new scheme is designed for.

I don't think it's that your club considered your car "not worthy as the rest", IMHO they probably don't want it known that they allowed the car onto H-plates if a few items weren't quite legal, according to their interpretation of the RMS H-plate rules.

Dr Terry

[iso007]

Dr terry, I just read your response to my post. At no time did I say the club was too strict and at no time did I mention that my car was not legal, not engineered or that i wanted a club which turned a blind eye. My Ek's and fb's have red motors and they are engineered and registered. They do not qualify for H plates with my new club. I could have gone to the Shannon's car show but needed to stay out of the way keeping "below the radar". I cannot compete in any club events as my cars, because of these alterations are not acceptable. So in your honest opinion, what better phrasing would you use instead of "not worthy". I am no cowboy, I am no shonk with my cars. Quite the opposite. I am on the look out for a club that accepts my cars. I think that is extremely understandable.
Ian

[WayneXG95]

The club will accept your cars in the Modified scection for any shows Ian, your cars our outside the requirements for H plates unfortunately.

[iso007]

Thanks Wayne. Appreciate the clarification. I will give you call later

[Mick]

my understanding is the club decides what you can and can't do (up to a point period modifications) and when you can and can't use the car and what hoops they want you to jump through to allow you to have the plates
i believe some clubs would allow a legaly fitted red motor etc under period mods as red motors have been being fitted to say an FB or EK for way more than 30 years

[Dr Terry]

I'm in a good position to answer the question regarding the Shannons show, I'm on the committee.

The rules for the Shannons show are that any car eligible for H-plates (whether they have them or not) can attend.

If your car has a Red motor, that's fine, it's legal, it's eligible for the new rego scheme, but not for the Shannons Eastern creek Classic.

It's not being elitist or anything like that, it's just this one CMC event is reserved for that. There are 100s of cars show annually that you could attend, just not this one.

The reason your club didn't want the bonnet open & stay "under the radar" is because it wasn't eligible & they didn't want this to reflect badly on the club. Other shows fine, but not this one.

About your cars, you say "They do not qualify for H plates with my new club". In reality they are not legal on H-plates with any club, that's why the new scheme.

You also say "I cannot compete in any club events as my cars, because of these alterations are not acceptable". To me that's the club being way too strict. Why can't car clubs live & let live.

In my car club, which caters mainly for authentic cars, quite a few of member's cars are modified one way or the other & many are not eligible for the SSC, but they join in at every other event.

Dr Terry.

[Dr Terry]

i believe some clubs would allow a legaly fitted red motor etc under period mods as red motors have been being fitted to say an FB or EK for way more than 30 years

There RMS rule does not mention "period mods", their wording is "period accessories and options"

FB & EK were built over 50 years ago, when there were no Red motors, which were never "period", an "accessory" or an "option".

The line in the sand is where an option or accessory becomes a modification. The club might "allow" it, but that doesn't make it legal.

The main reason the new scheme is being introduced is because so many are allowing such modifications under H-plate rules.

Dr Terry

[iso007]

Thanks for that info dr terry.
So if I keep hearing so much about this H plate, and remember, I am new to this club membership caper, is the new Rego system only available to H plate cars?

[Dr Terry]

Thanks for that info dr terry.
So if I keep hearing so much about this H plate, and remember, I am new to this club membership caper, is the new Rego system only available to H plate cars?

H-plates are the current plates used for the historic concessional rego scheme (HCRS).

Many find these too restrictive, as you have, that's why the new log book system was developed.

Be patient, you should be able to get concessional rego on your cars under the log book scheme in the new year.

Dr Terry

[Mick]

i believe some clubs would allow a legaly fitted red motor etc under period mods as red motors have been being fitted to say an FB or EK for way more than 30 years

There RMS rule does not mention "period mods", their wording is "period accessories and options"

FB & EK were built over 50 years ago, when there were no Red motors, which were never "period", an "accessory" or an "option".

The line in the sand is where an option or accessory becomes a modification. The club might "allow" it, but that doesn't make it legal.

The main reason the new scheme is being introduced is because so many are allowing such modifications under H-plate rules.

Dr Terry

also thanks i to am new to this club rego thing and it's very vague as depending on who you talk to it's a different story but yor story is what i always thought to be true but have been told by others YES yor mods are fine and that is what worrys me if i were to have an accident i might aswell have been driving an unregistered car

[wot179]

I'm just curious here now, Doc.

Would a 396 in a 62 Bel air with vintage Cragar wheels and custom paint be considered period optioned and accessorised?

[Dr Terry]

I'm just curious here now, Doc.

Would a 396 in a 62 Bel air with vintage Cragar wheels and custom paint be considered period optioned and accessorised?

That one's right on the knife edge.

The Cragars would be OK as long as they are the correct style for the early 60s & not too wide to contravene the RMS's rim wide or track dimension specs. So if they are say 8-inch, then NO.

The 396 is debatable, as the Big Block was not an option for 1962 Chevs. The 348/409 'Porcupine' V8s were available which are close relatives. This would be up to the club, I believe. I wouldn't allow it, but I'm a bit on the conservative side. VSI 6 wording says engines of the 'same family'.

The custom paint is another close call. If it was a modern 2-pack metal flake then probably not. It really depends on your definition of 'custom' & if this particular job looked like it came from the 60s.

What you haven't mentioned is suspension height, which I'm sure has been lowered on a car that fits this description. If it's lowered, 8-inch rims & a non-60s paint job I would say no.

However if you could produce a mid-60s motor magazine with a car of this description pictured in it, there would be no debate, you're be OK. But I doubt you would find one.

I think this car would be a candidate for the log book scheme, If you get it engineered 8-inch rims, dumped suspension would be all OK. I doubt that the 396 would need engineering, because the 409 was a factory option. The paint would be OK in any colour.

Dr Terry