Rebuild kits for a turbo grey motor???

[Stygian]

Yeah, Greg has nailed it with the cost...with the 5 grand plus you will eventually blow on just the engine, you could buy a period Norman supercharger that was engineered to operate upon a STOCK grey motor...


But if you are on your "P" plates, then how about ditch the forced induction for a while... just slot in a nice 20/60 cam with resurfaced lifters, head with red motor valves and hardened valve seats, higher compression and keep the stock carb and exhaust. Nice cruising motor that if the cops ask you to pop the bonnet, it looks absolutely Grandpa...

And this (if recoed and ballanced) will set you back about $3000 anyway

Trev is dead right.

But you can think of it this way. Spend 3 grand to have a reco motor you can cruise your P plate days without reliability/rego/insurance/defect notice dramas, whilst saving up the cash for a supercharger. If you are lucky enough to get hold of a Norman blower, then you will not have to rebuild the engine to suit. The blower will work nicely with a small cam. You already have a bigger valve area, due to the red motor valves, and a bigger valve area is needed to get the best out of a blower (read Eldred Norman's book "Supercharge" here). The bottom end will hold together provided you don't abuse it (e.g. no burnouts).

Of course, you will then need to shell out for a transmission other than the stock grey crash box (maybe an all synchro 3 speed). Plus you may need disc brakes, seatbelts, fan heater/demister and two speed wipers plus engineer's certificate. Plus you will always need to keep your car registered, as if it goes out of rego, you will have to get another engineer's certificate. The new certificate means the car has to pass the requirements of that future time, which maybe more restrictive than now (indeed, this is the trend). This may mean that you might have to make changes to your car.

As Aidan said, write out a figure about how much you need to spend, then multiply by three.

Andrew

[mrs ratbox]

an engineers report lasts forever as long as nothing changes

poor bloke everybody telling him what to do to his car he has a plan but unfortunately needs MUCH more money

go back to plan "A" red motor faster, cheaper, more reliable and much stronger

[(AUST)Mod]

Have you considered a turbo red?

I picked up a complete kit from NoMAD at a good price.

[HPaddict]

jazzar, sounds like your way out of your depth, you cant run a efi pump with a carby, efi runs at around 40-60psi fuel pressure and a 149 carby needs 4psi. listen to the other guys if you really want a turbo go with a red motor, you are wasting your time with a grey motor,, they dont have enough main bearings, by the time you get good custom pistons, strong conrods, machine and balance the rotating assembly that will add up to around $4000- $5000 and you still havent done the head or the rest of what is needed,

and after all that, the crank will still probably try and climb out of the block lol.

not being nasty but it sounds like you would be lucky to be able to build a standard grey motor with you funds and mechanical knowledge.

oh the bliss of youth and ignorance

[Bigbird]

I think you have your answer Jazzar.

By the sound of it you are under resourced (Knowledge) under financed (money) and under the delusion that any of what you are proposing is not a really expensive excersise.

M8, I love my FB's but I am under no misconception that I can restore/rebuild/hot-up/customise one of these cars to a standard I will be happy with for less than I can buy a brand spanking new Yaris/micra/2/getz....

Those at the top of the tree (V8, Auto, Aircon, etc...Fully engineered and a feature article in a major magazine) would make buying a new HSV R8 Clubsport with leather look like taking the cheap option.

As I said before, you have alot of body work to do, learn how to do it yourself and it will be the cheapest part of the project, that whilst you are doing that you can save some more money so that you will end up with a drivable car.

That's what you want isn't it?

A car that once done you can just turn the key and cruise, or some type of mechanical pig that eats money and never hits the road for any decent amount of time which could very well see you being a passenger in your friends' shiny new Yaris/micra/2/getz...

This is not a personal attack, we are all merely trying to steer you away from the disaster awaiting you should you continue down this path. We can only do this because we have either seen it being tried and failing, or we have tried some of this stuff and failed ourselves.

Do you think you are the first person to think about force feeding a grey motor?

I reckon after all these years the obvious answer is no.

I also believe that for those who have tried, if it was that easy/cheap/reliable we would have already seen a number of similar combinations.

This is indisputable logic.

Please, let's not continue this Jazzar otherwise I will have to refer you to the posts I made in the thread "Putting 22's on an EK" in the wheels and tyres section.

I challenge you to prove me wrong about your generation.

B.T.W: R&D stands for Research and Development. General Motors spent $1 billion and at least 7 years on the VE Commodore, once again I ask...How much time and money have you got to get your single EK right?

Cheers Mate
Go the red motor!


Who said the Rant is Dead.[/u]

[ek61]

found some pics i still reccon give it a go .it can only go bang and thats all half the fun learning by mistakes

pics robbed from the fc fe forum not much info on it
still looks the part

[Trev]

Do what ever you want to do Jazzar, just because people are coming up with all the bullshit reasons not to, doesn't mean you have to do what they say .

[HPaddict]

trev it aint bullshit, its fact, greys are renown for their weakness once built beyond a mild state of tune, anyone that knows their stuff knows that simple fact. we are not saying hes not allowed to do it, we are advising him not to waste his time and money for at best a very average result or worse a big expensive dissapointment.

turboing a grey falls into the same catagory as working a starfire 4 cyl, why would ya even bother lol.

gee its not hard to pick the people who have done stuff and the ones who havent done stuff all.

sometimes you have to face facts, you cant make strawberry jam out of pig shit, simple

[Trev]

With a name of HPaddict I would have thought you wouldn't even bother with a 6cyl let alone a grey!
I learned my lessons from making mistakes, even though I was told, so why do you think Jazza will listen to all the advise offered up to him?
Lets all stick to the 350/350/9inch crap thats being churned out in cars now days and don't have a go at anything!
What are you wearing today? so I can look like you too .
If you are implying that I have never done stuff, how the $*#@ would you know???
All I am saying is if really wants to do it he can make his own mind up, Trev .

[Bigbird]

Take a chill pill Trev & HP addict....

No one has said it can't be done. It just can't be done by Jazzar at the moment as he has no money, no clues, and therefore by simple logical deduction no hope of getting his "dream combo" to work.

I think we are all in agreement that it would be great to see, but as far as a "bang for your buck" solution is concerned there are better options out there if you are chasing power.

Like I suggested, if he wants a turbo, go the RB30 route, it would be cheaper, more reliable and more powerful than anything you could get out of a grey, even as a stock combo.

I think it is encumbent upon us to pull these young kids up when they are diving into the shallow end of the pool and save them from themselves.

Keep in mind, this is his first project. He probably only just worked out that bolts turn anti-clockwise if you want to get them out. (After ripping off a couple of heads)

He has bigger issues than how is he going to power this car, like how is he going to make all of the holes in the floor, the doors, the bonnet et al go away.

So boys, instead of us starting to turn on each other, lets take these young enthusiastic, yet inexperienced petrol-heads-in-training by the hand and guide them toward an achievable goal.

Remember an apprentice panel beater starts with belting out a hubcap, not a complete rear quarter off a Monaro.

All any of us have said to Jazzar at this time is that due to his lack of experience and funds, fix what he can fix, learn what he can learn, and re-invent the wheel once you have already mastered creating an excellent copy of someone else's.

The other alternative is for well meaning folk to lead them into a false sence of acheivability to have them give up when they hit the types of stumbling blocks as have been mentioned here and they give the whole "Classic Car" thing away.

There is a difference between empowering the individual and creating false hopes.

[Trev]

I think it is encumbent upon us to pull these young kids up when they are diving into the shallow end of the pool and save them from themselves.

Maybe all young folk could message you Harry for permission to have a different opinion on what they want to do with their cars, so they don't waste anyones time post them up on the forum, what age would you recommend? Trev .

[EKjimmy]

Let's not start this again. (Yep i know we're trying to stop jazzar from wasting his time)
Unlike massive wheels, i reckon this is a pretty cool idea.
Lack of experience, knowledge, funds etc probably will be huge hurdles but why not have a go?
We all learn from our mistakes-if it doesn't work, lesson learned...

Jimmy

[Bigbird]

Sorry Trev, Your right.

What was I thinking?

How dumb of me to believe that this type of forum is here for anything more than to give anyone who signs up a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Forget about the knowledge and experience bank sitting here as long as starry eyed knucklheads who don't know the difference between a spanner and a screwdriver can be encouraged to be nothing more than a dreamer.

There are many here who have built a heap of engines of different kinds and still wouldn't tackle this project.

And here you are encouraging someone with, by his own admission, no knowledge or skills to tackle a job for 4th year mehanical engineering students.

There is no difference between what you are doing and me handing a chainsaw to my 8 year old.

Yes he wants to use it, but he just isn't there yet.

Neither is Jazzar in his attempt to turbo a grey.

We have already found thousands of ways to blow these engines up...do we need another one.

If Jazzar wants a hot grey, I know of one for sale with a big cam, extra carbs, internally balanced and probably making 100hp, it can be his, yours or anyone elses for about $4000 right now.

So, TREV, I may not simply clap my hands with glee everytime someone with no idea and guidance puts their hand up to do something out of the ordinary, this is because I can still remember being a young bloke.

I can still remember the cars I destroyed even though I had the best of intentions, and the only reason I was able to achieve such amazing levels of mediocrity was because I had no one to guide me.

Ask yourself...What is the Forum really for?

Have a good think about it, because as these cars get older, and parts become harder to get, don't you think as a "community" we should try and preserve as much as we can.

I still stand firm on my first post in this thread.

JAZZAR, go the red motor, but get the body, subframe, suspension, steering and other associated bits sorted first, otherwise you will not have anything to put an engine into regardless of what it is.

The underlined bit is what we call advice Trev. Good, honest, genuine advice.

EKjimmy, why not have a go?....because of all the reasons you mentioned.

Let's stick to the topic of the thread and if Trev, J, or anyone else wishes to simply have a slanging match start a new thread and I will be there with bells on.

[Trev]

Sorry Trev, Your right.


There is no difference between what you are doing and me handing a chainsaw to my 8 year old.

Yes he wants to use it, but he just isn't there yet.

Talk about over dramatizing it

PM sent harry.

[HPaddict]

With a name of HPaddict I would have thought you wouldn't even bother with a 6cyl let alone a grey!

what a stupid statement, im not the one trying to do anything unrealistic with a red 6 or anything else for that matter, theres nothing wrong with a mild grey motor but bang some boost in it and see what happens, i spose you were the kid that put his hand in the fire to see if you get burnt, instead of listening to evryone telling you what will happen.

im building a totally streetable 11sec 355 stroker for my EH not a red or grey 6 for your information, i do performance engine building for a living and have literaly built hundreds of all types of engines in the past 20+years so i think HPaddict suits me quite well

heres a few exaples of what ive built:
308 holden powered 9.84 sec

355 holden calais full interior electric windows + cage, 98 fuel 10.5sec

308 std stroke, HQ heads. 150 nos, 10.01sec

383 chev, 10.44 sec

400 chev 9.6 sec, 650hp


i can show you heaps more if ya like!

Hmm HPaddict that name really doesent suit what i do ey?
im full of bullshit ey? what would i know? trev show me what you've got ?