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and may your arms be too short to scratch them..........
jim

Allah be praised !!!

The Life of Muhammad sounds like more of a parallel - what a hit that would be. A movie full of unbridled violence and fully sik bagged donkey drawn carts. When the Romans come Muhammad would be busy on his mobile phone to get all his 'cousins' and mates to come to defend him.

Nowww - back to Sam.

Give the poor young guy a lead or three on a good car for a young bloke to play with.

Sam, what is your budget mate? And NO we are not trying to sell you the EK, lol.

Remember to include costs for getting a car on the road otherwise you will have a car rusting around the side of the house.

Dave Mac

vmx-mxr wrote:Did I mention I really wanted to be a lumberjack !!!

If you don't know Monty Python my desire to be a lumberjack will be lost on you !!!

Dave Mac

Pfft, of course I know Monty Python... "come over here Brian and leave that Welsh tart alone"

(AUST)Mod wrote:Mate as a young bloke you will get sick of a grey motor really fast.

Gen Y or whatever, ask J he did pretty quick, and he is not the only young bloke I know who has got sick of a slow grey pretty quick.

My advice would be to buy a red motored car, it will save you $$ in the long run as long as your not looking to become a restorer.

Sorry if this upsets anyone

Andrew

Hey samrob,

As you can tell from (AUST)Mod's signature, there is a fair bit of rivalry between those who are fans of grey motors and those who love red motors.
But he right. Red motors are more powerful, cheaper to get parts for and cheaper to rebuild than a grey. You can get almost anything for a red motor, from supercharger kits and alloy heads to EFI setups. A red motor EK with a HR disc brake front end will be a lot more suited to everyday driving than a standard grey would be (I know - I drove my car as daily transport for 3 years with a rebuilt stock grey).

On the other hand, cars that are close to original will hold their value far more than a modified vehicle. State traffic authorities also continue to tighten the laws concerning modified vehicles. The 179 and 186 red motors also tend to go through more fuel. Grey motors can be hotted up and there are a few of these in the various clubs which will keep up with the red motor cars quite easily. Although there is less speed equipment available for greys, such parts have become highly collectable in their own right (witness the skyrocketing prices for Jack Myers and Speco headers, for example). Hotted up grey motors can also look very cool (have a look at Thommo's FB on this site). But it is unlikely that you would want to use a hotted up grey as a daily driver.

If you want a daily driver and don't want to restore, then you may find a red motor car will better suit these purposes. Try to get one that is already registered to avoid rego and engineering hassles. If later down the track you decide you want to restore, then it is pretty easy to convert a red back to a grey. But above all, try to get a car that has a body in great condition, as this will save you the most $$$.

Hope this helps,

Andrew

Edna Blueflash wrote: On the other hand, cars that are close to original will hold their value far more than a modified vehicle.

that's a myth there's only one person that i know of that has paid big money for stock cars and i know of plenty of modified cars that have sold for equal or greater value
as a rule of thumb i'de say they are equally sort

the big dollar stockers are a rare breed exceptional condition and rediculously low mileage, so they'de be in a class of comparitive modified cars such as malcom's yellow FB or garry's EK both of which i think would sell for more money but this also depends on who's shopping aswell

99% of hot rods sell for much more than there restored counterparts

DISSCLAIMER
this is not haveing a go at anybody for what they pay or have paid for a car or cars just an example

ratbox wrote:

Edna Blueflash wrote: On the other hand, cars that are close to original will hold their value far more than a modified vehicle.

that's a myth there's only one person that i know of that has paid big money for stock cars and i know of plenty of modified cars that have sold for equal or greater value
as a rule of thumb i'de say they are equally sort

the big dollar stockers are a rare breed exceptional condition and rediculously low mileage, so they'de be in a class of comparitive modified cars such as malcom's yellow FB or garry's EK both of which i think would sell for more money but this also depends on who's shopping aswell

99% of hot rods sell for much more than there restored counterparts

DISSCLAIMER
this is not haveing a go at anybody for what they pay or have paid for a car or cars just an example

Hey ratbox,

I would argue that cars close to original condition would, over time, hold their value more than modified cars. I say this because this has been the case for all kinds of makes of mass produced car (hot rods are not production cars anymore and they sell into a niche market).

For example, an all numbers matching original HK Monaro will always be more valuable to collectors than a HK Monaro that has a blown 454 poking through the bonnet.

For production cars, the market for original examples will always be larger than for modified cars. Like it or not, there is a social stigma attached to modified cars (e.g. they're all driven by bogans, "Westies" or young hoons). I know this is not necessarily true but it is a stereotype that exists; and most people do not want to be associated with that. That's why I suspect that politicians believe there are votes in cracking down on modified cars, with "hoon laws" and more stringent engineering requirements.
Don't get me wrong - I really miss the Mustang I owned in the US and wouldn't mind Gazza's Black Beast sitting on my driveway. But with respect to highly modified cars, would someone recoup all the costs involved in building one at sales time? If someone is able to, well good on them. But I suspect most would not.

Andrew

It all comes down to personal taste. Some like them modified, some like stockers. I have noticed lately though that stock or restored cars ( pre 1980 Holdens, Fords. etc ) are commanding good prices.

The problem you face with selling a modified car is that it won't be to everyone's taste, so your market is a bit smaller. With a stock/restored car you know what your market is. On the other hand, it would cost you far less to buy something modified than to buy a stocker and pay to have the mods done. Take DAKAM's FB that he just bought. You've got no hope in hell of buying a stock FB and doing the mods that the car has for anywhere near what he paid for the whole car (well I don't anyway, as I'd have to pay others to do all the work )


I know when I was looking for an old Holden, if I saw one that had things like twin carbies, bucket seats, floor shift, etc, I got instantly turned off. But that's just me. The next person might like that sort of car.


The price of original Aussie classics, and I'm not talking about the big dollar collector stuff, has gone up quite a bit recently, compared to mildly modified ones.


That's just my shitty opinion, anyway

hey thanks dave

well i think my budget is around the 4, 5, or 6 k mark.
and if i can get a lead off anybody it would be great.

cheers sam

also i am looking for a daily driver, don't want to resotre, so anything that would make it easier to cruise in would be great.
though i don't want a hoon car. not that you can really make an ek or fb a hoon car

cheers SAm

samrob93 wrote: though i don't want a hoon car. not that you can really make an ek or fb a hoon car

cheers SAm

yes you can - ask Gary v8ek4us

samrob93 wrote:also i am looking for a daily driver, don't want to resotre, so anything that would make it easier to cruise in would be great.
though i don't want a hoon car. not that you can really make an ek or fb a hoon car

cheers SAm

Greys can cut it as a daily, provided you do routine maintennance. Once a month I'd adjust the drum brakes and as I had no filter I'd change the oil every six - eight months (I drove it alot!). They are relatively cheap to run and cheap to maintain, provided you are light on the pedal.

What is a hoon car? Do you mean you'll have stockies on the back and mags up front with a ridiculous rearward rake???

nah what i mean is i don't really need it to go super fast, just something that is uncomplicated and easy, but with the ability to make it go a bit quicker when i have more funds.
and it seems that the red motor is the way to go with that

Edna Blueflash wrote:

ratbox wrote:

Edna Blueflash wrote: On the other hand, cars that are close to original will hold their value far more than a modified vehicle.

that's a myth there's only one person that i know of that has paid big money for stock cars and i know of plenty of modified cars that have sold for equal or greater value
as a rule of thumb i'de say they are equally sort

the big dollar stockers are a rare breed exceptional condition and rediculously low mileage, so they'de be in a class of comparitive modified cars such as malcom's yellow FB or garry's EK both of which i think would sell for more money but this also depends on who's shopping aswell

99% of hot rods sell for much more than there restored counterparts

DISSCLAIMER
this is not haveing a go at anybody for what they pay or have paid for a car or cars just an example

Hey ratbox,

I would argue that cars close to original condition would, over time, hold their value more than modified cars. I say this because this has been the case for all kinds of makes of mass produced car (hot rods are not production cars anymore and they sell into a niche market).

For example, an all numbers matching original HK Monaro will always be more valuable to collectors than a HK Monaro that has a blown 454 poking through the bonnet.

For production cars, the market for original examples will always be larger than for modified cars. Like it or not, there is a social stigma attached to modified cars (e.g. they're all driven by bogans, "Westies" or young hoons). I know this is not necessarily true but it is a stereotype that exists; and most people do not want to be associated with that. That's why I suspect that politicians believe there are votes in cracking down on modified cars, with "hoon laws" and more stringent engineering requirements.
Don't get me wrong - I really miss the Mustang I owned in the US and wouldn't mind Gazza's Black Beast sitting on my driveway. But with respect to highly modified cars, would someone recoup all the costs involved in building one at sales time? If someone is able to, well good on them. But I suspect most would not.

Andrew

this is an unwinable arguement as everybody has there own opinion
but i can argue the point with a few things, i'll give you the monaro's BUT in saying that a mocked up say 327 HK will get more coin than a stock 186s and the mocked up one is still modified
a hot rod is a modified standard version of a pre 1948 car, unless it's fibreglass but that's a whole nother arguement
i've pretty much spent my adult life looking at what's for sale and i've always noticed the modified versions bringing more money, except the few rare and collectables muscle cars etc

ratbox wrote:... i'll give you the monaro's BUT in saying that a mocked up say 327 HK will get more coin than a stock 186s and the mocked up one is still modified

Yes ratbox, that is true, I'll give you that. From what I have heard, it was possible that if you bought the poverty pack 186S Monaro and you didn't like it, you could take it back to the showroom and have them put a 307 or whatever in it. Is that true?

Edna Blueflash wrote:But with respect to highly modified cars, would someone recoup all the costs involved in building one at sales time? If someone is able to, well good on them. But I suspect most would not.

i dont mean to throw petrol on the fire or anything...so dont take it that way......

but if thats the reason your doing it for.....your doin it for the wrong reasons....(i dont mean you edna blueflash)

unless you have a buisness doing that or something...

aidan...