Time to dust off my EK!

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Re: Time to dust off my EK!

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fingers wrote:
Marty K Bird wrote:Bent pushrod!! :thumbsdown:

I have a spare motor!! :thumbsup:

Can a pushrod be plucked out quicker through the side plate? And should i get the other lifter and rocker arm to match ??
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Whats telling ya its bent mate ....you should be able to loosen the valve gear on that rocker and pull the tappet to one side and lift the pushrod out ...not 100% sure ...fingers
It had a curve in it! I tapped it straight till it rolled fairly neatly but advice given has said don't use it...
I took the other rocker cover off the spare motor and removed the ball adjuster thingo and tried to slide it out but no cigar ....maybe cam was in wrong position.... will try again in the morning.
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Personally, I'd leave the lifter in the motor (if it isn't damaged) because maintaining the the cam-to-lifter wear pattern would be more critical than the lifter-to-pushrod wear pattern :think:

I also wouldn't go to the bother of replacing the rocker because then the rocker-to-valve interface would be changed.

Be careful that the pushrod that you replace it with is the same length. Grey 138's up to engine number B65280 are 10 5/16" and after that are 10 1/8"
Cheers Mefby~ This makes sense .... I pulled the ball adjuster thingo out to go with the pushrod to put in the original rocker..... that should be ok..

Also thanks for the tip re: length .... i read a few other posts about people having trouble with the length of their shafts.

Will put them side by side tomorrow and see what happens.

I guess the proper thing to do would be to also remove the sidecover and check the lifters too?

Disassembled the rocker shaft and cleaned everything making sure i put everything back in its right order.....One shaft was worn a little bit ....must have been dry a few times in it's life or something.
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Also thanks for the tip re: length .... i read a few other posts about people having trouble with the length of their shafts.

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SunnyTim wrote:bent pushrod = stuck valve
just unwind the tappet adjuster on the spare engine for one cylinder and pull the pushrod out. Voila = spare pushrod. I have just straightened them with a hammer before gently too....
Now for the stuck valve
If you are taking all of the tappets off the engine in your car, and you know which valve is sticking,
1. load the valves up with INOX, WD40, CRC etc all over so it runs down the guides and let it sit overnight.
2. Gently tap the tops of the valves with a hammer. If they 'bounce' they aren't stuck
3. If there is one that doesn't bounce (it stays down) play around with it gently tapping, coating with lube, trying to tap it up and down etc gently.....unless it is really stuck it should take much to get it happy again and 'bouncing' when tapped with the hammer.
4. Once they are all unstuck you should be able to give them all a fairly solid whack with the hammer and they should all feel and sound the same.
5. Reinstall the tappets. Despite what anyone says you need to adjust them cold at 8 thou inlet and 12 thou exhaust. Adjust cylinder 1 when 6 is rocking, 2 with 5, 3 with 4, 4 with 3, 5 with 2, 6 with 1. 'Rocking' doesn't mean Johhny O'Keefe, it means that the inlet cycle has come up (valve up) and exhaust valve is about to go down.
6. Readjust the tappets when the valves are hot.

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muza wrote:
I love this forum for this knowledge!
Your not the only one!!!
I'm very much a researcher/procrastinator in that i research everything before i do anything and this kind of knowledge i just love to soak up! I have never been much of a mechanic and confidence never one of my stronger traits but armed with knowledge and the right set of tools i believe i can have a go at anything...and with the knowledge backing me... succeed!

For me that's probably the best thing about working on this car .... acquiring knowledge ...it really floats my boat!
Besides the forums i have now spoke to at least 3 people that i know about a bent pushrod and adjusting tappets ... to some that sort of stuff might be overkill but to me it means i have all the angles covered and a firm plan of attack. There's always more than one way to skin a cat and i love the little tips and tricks that you pick up that is not in any manual.

I got talking about it today with one old guy who i fly planes with and he started telling me about the old FC he had and the days of the local Hillclimb club which was really popular here. He recalled how they use to have to elongate the holes in the side covers after they shaved a crap load off the head lol.
Alot of these old fellas that worked on these cars in their day are 70+ now and overtime there is less of them about so i feel kind of like a custodian of this kind of knowledge. And they love to share it ... for many of them it takes them back to a different era that they haven't even thought about for a long time and they always smile... That's pretty special i reckon.

Terry the hillclimber offered to help me do the tappets .... and although i am confident id be ok to do it myself....I will call him up in the morning to give me a hand ...because i know he will get a buzz out of it.
SunnyTim wrote:bent pushrod = stuck valve
just unwind the tappet adjuster on the spare engine for one cylinder and pull the pushrod out. Voila = spare pushrod. I have just straightened them with a hammer before gently too....
Hi Tim thanks for the reply! :thumbsup:
I couldn't get it out without undoing all the bolts but i got it out in the end and thankfully its the same length. I straightened it first by wrapping it in rag and tapping it on the anvil and also squeezing it gently in the big vice. I thought i was on to the trick of getting it dead straight by rolling it on a hard surface and finding where it stopped was the bottom of the bow, id flip it and tap that side .... but i couldn't get it to roll perfectly. If i was stuck coming back from Wangaratta it might get me home but I opted for the spare which rolled neatly.
Now for the stuck valve
If you are taking all of the tappets off the engine in your car, and you know which valve is sticking,
1. load the valves up with INOX, WD40, CRC etc all over so it runs down the guides and let it sit overnight.
2. Gently tap the tops of the valves with a hammer. If they 'bounce' they aren't stuck
3. If there is one that doesn't bounce (it stays down) play around with it gently tapping, coating with lube, trying to tap it up and down etc gently.....unless it is really stuck it should take much to get it happy again and 'bouncing' when tapped with the hammer.
4. Once they are all unstuck you should be able to give them all a fairly solid whack with the hammer and they should all feel and sound the same.
I did take all the rockers off, disassembled cleaned and reassembled.
The valve in question was stuck down a bit at first so i squirted heaps of inox around it and put a ring spanner over the end (just to save poking my hand) and pushed it down by hand it popped up and now after a day of its inox bath it feels alot better and i can pump them up and down by hand alot easier ... still feels a little tighter than the others but it always springs back. There was also one more that was a bit tight and it got the same treatment. I read your tap with the hammer thing and did as you suggested and they all bounce now... I also gave them all a solid wack and the sound was interesting but all fairly similar!
5. Reinstall the tappets. Despite what anyone says you need to adjust them cold at 8 thou inlet and 12 thou exhaust. Adjust cylinder 1 when 6 is rocking, 2 with 5, 3 with 4, 4 with 3, 5 with 2, 6 with 1. 'Rocking' doesn't mean Johhny O'Keefe, it means that the inlet cycle has come up (valve up) and exhaust valve is about to go down.
6. Readjust the tappets when the valves are hot.
Regards
Tim
Will give this a go in the morning.....
Thanks again, muchly appreciate it.

I am aware my posts are nearly bordering on rosco lengths .... i just hope someone some day can get something from them.

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Oh that's another good tip!!
Reminds me of when i seen some mechanics poor a bottle of brake fluid down another mechanics carby just after he rebuilt his pride and joy old Honda accord .....talk about smoke!!!!!

How long are these guide things?

This is me over thinking things .... but ...it still has the first batch of oil from since i drained it 2 months ago and its rather black again and needing a change,,..
Not sure if i should try to flush it out now or later...opting for after i do the tappets warm.

Running it for 30 minutes is kinda wild as it has not done that for a long time
I have a digital IR temp gauge if that can help...
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^ Yah cool~

Had to finish cleaning this before i finish the tappets!
Came up a treat!
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Yet to do the spare one~
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Enlisted my old hillclimb mate today to give me a hand to adjust the tappets ....I am sure I could have done it myself but it was good to have a hand for my first go. Fired it up and sounded great!

Took it for a 3k drive and it didn't cough splutter fart or stall once!! Probably ran the best it has for 20 years.....with the carby problems I had all those years ago its probably running the best it ever has since I have owned it. Got some water leaking out of the heater and out of the heater hose near the thermostat so I will soon Suss that out.


Also gave Ron the one armed bandit (well 1 and 3/4 arms) panel beater a call to have a look at my car as I'm thinking of getting the tricky bits done by someone who knows what they are doing. He was a great help as he gave me more of an idea on what's involved. Looks like the windows will come out, and he will lead wipe the rear 1/4 factory joins after I clean it all back to bare metal. He said he could beat up a new section for the rust holed bit and mig it in. At 30 cracker an hour his rates are not too bad. He has been doing this stuff as a backyardie for 40 years and I have heard a lot of good things about his work so I will likely get him to do a bit here and there.

Come the new year I will start removing paint and bits. Before then I will finish the cleanup and take some photos and post them up.
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Nice work. What method did ol' mate use to adjust the tappets?

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We did them cold set at 12 and 8 and just rocked them around... he showed me how they should feel on the feelers. Once I fix the hoses I will give it a longer run and do them at temp. Didn't try the whilst running thing....maybe next time. the main thing is its moveable again.
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Marty K Bird wrote:We did them cold set at 12 and 8 and just rocked them around... he showed me how they should feel on the feelers. Once I fix the hoses I will give it a longer run and do them at temp. Didn't try the whilst running thing....maybe next time. the main thing is its moveable again.
I'd be tempted not to mess with it if it's running well! I'm actually pretty useless with doing the tappets and it takes me a long time. No matter what I do I always seem to mess up the gap as I tighten up the nut (plus I smash the crapper out of my feelers if I do it with the engine running).

I think the guy who wrote bit in the Workshop Manual about adjusting the tappets with the engine running peed his pants laughing every time he saw some poor twit like me covered in oil, bent and battered feeler gauge in hand, swearing his head off under the bonnet of a Holden. It's probably one of the longest running practical jokes in history. Either that, or maybe he didn't think people like me would be silly enough to try and do it that way without the proper Coxhead service tool (no feeler gauge required).

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MeFB wrote:
Marty K Bird wrote:We did them cold set at 12 and 8 and just rocked them around... he showed me how they should feel on the feelers. Once I fix the hoses I will give it a longer run and do them at temp. Didn't try the whilst running thing....maybe next time. the main thing is its moveable again.
I'd be tempted not to mess with it if it's running well!

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Well i think i have just about finished this first stage ... being the dust off and getting it rolling again.
Today i drove it our of the shed for another wash down and took some pics.

I have gave it a bit of a polish and there are still some more bits i could clean and polish but cleaning up paint that im removing seems a bit daft lol.

From a distance it looks ok ... and if the dent was out of the guard and the rust and boot areas cleaned up it be looking alot better.

Tomorrow (or later tonight) i will start to take off some more of the bad paint from around the boot area.
The bumpers will come off and also the guards and bonnet at some stage.
Both guards and the bonnet will go back to bare metal to be repaired and then repainted.

The whole lot will be painted in stages i think ...the front and the rear and roof for now and then the doors and sill fixed later as i am still hoping i can make it to this years nats!

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It has had two holes drilled in the bonnet bird at some stage ... i had the thought the other day that they might of been for flags of some sort so i put a couple in .... the angles looked right!
This raises more questions of it's history... from the odd dealer number and originally having the act rego EK-1962 i can only guess as to what was going on with this car ....one of the first EK's in Canberra? ... an embassy car? ... used in the 62 empire games? .... flag holes just held Canberra Raiders flags ?

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My security system lol
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Air shocks are pumped right up ... giving it some mean rake lol.
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A "nose art" sticker i picked up for an rc plane .... seems to fit the car "Metal Illness".
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LH Guard (well rh in this pic) dosent look like it was fitted right ...chrome looks on an angle).
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Ferris Bueler needs a clean up ... but it fits!
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I had started picking at it .... now I shall attack it.
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Rear window has to come out for this ... so front will also come out then lining and roof tapped into shape and dash repainted (cracked original paint).

Should be a bit more progress soon,


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Getting there mate!
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Yeah .... it's getting somewhere....

Started the downhill slide today!
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Day one of the redo and I already hate sanding and want to sell the car by the bucket full on ebay .... bah!!

Seriously thou its an odd feeling going from polishing to removing paint and bog ... but i want it done properly so no hidden secrets for me!

Rang my beater and booked him in for a couple of hours early next week to give me a hand to remove the rear screen and check over a bit i uncovered.
Looks like someone (im assuming my dad) brazed up a section below the c pillar
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It might get a new bit welded in or cleaned up and lead wiped ..... the bog was thick in this spot.
Once the window is out i can get a better look at the whole area.

Only taking the paint off of the flaky bog splitting bits at this stage.

And im actually loving this .... finally something i can get my teeth into .... and no im not putting it on ebay .... that's just my own incentive plan ..... too many end up in bits on ebay .... but that's not for me. I have got my bags ready to tag and bag all the screws and bits. :thumbsup:
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Hey Marty,

I've just seen your thread. Reading it brought a warm smile to my face. Like your car, my EK is Shalimar Blue/Snowcrest White, with the Viscount/Zenith Blue interior with Stardust Grey bolsters. I also found mine in a shed very much like yours too. Being an impoverished student at the time, I also did a rolling resto so that I could use it as a daily driver. Your quip that you've lost weight due to every spare coin going on the EK rather than junk food made me laugh as I did the same. I remember picking up a set of Jack Myers headers for $275 and a Speco triple carb manifold for $120 and having not much left in the bank afterwards! All I could think of was "one day I'll put these on..." :lol:

Thanks for this thread and best of luck with your project.

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