FB Standard Wagon
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Had a visit fom Drew. Went for a drive down the beach. The thing goes alright! Enough to scare me a bit. Soon got used to no seatbelts.
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getting my FB ute on the road
EK van on rotisserie
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Flying
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327 Chev EK wagon, original EK ute for Number 1 Daughter, an FB sedan meth monster project and a BB/MD grey motored FED.
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Cheers Clay and Blacky. Well there you I go, I just learnt about spark plug heat range.
I thought the hotter the better, but obviously not.
I’m certainly learning a lot at this point as I’ve never had anything to do with tuning before.
Anyways what I’ve done to the 219 is
Threw the old BP5’s back in, set the timing to 10 degrees, idle at about 600 rpm, rebalanced the carbs and did a half arse adjustment of the idle mixture.
Well doing all of those things in conjunction and to match each other have been game changing.
The cam isn’t really lumping too hard at idle but it idles nicely, so it is very clear there is a long way to go to get the tune perfect.
Proof is in the right foot though, had Clay reaching for the seatbelt that isn’t there when the 219 was still pulling at 55mph in 2nd gear.
Good smooth power curve with the WOT for an old grey motor.
I think I’ll pull the plugs out after todays thrashing and see how they are burning, might need a cooler plug yet.
I thought the hotter the better, but obviously not.
I’m certainly learning a lot at this point as I’ve never had anything to do with tuning before.
Anyways what I’ve done to the 219 is
Threw the old BP5’s back in, set the timing to 10 degrees, idle at about 600 rpm, rebalanced the carbs and did a half arse adjustment of the idle mixture.
Well doing all of those things in conjunction and to match each other have been game changing.
The cam isn’t really lumping too hard at idle but it idles nicely, so it is very clear there is a long way to go to get the tune perfect.
Proof is in the right foot though, had Clay reaching for the seatbelt that isn’t there when the 219 was still pulling at 55mph in 2nd gear.
Good smooth power curve with the WOT for an old grey motor.
I think I’ll pull the plugs out after todays thrashing and see how they are burning, might need a cooler plug yet.
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Yep that has helped my understanding a lot, makes total sense to me now why we use cooler plugs when the motor gets worked.Blacky wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:04 pm I have 5's in the rattler at the moment, the tuner asked me to buy a set of 6's and a set of 7's to bring with me on dyno day so I assume he is worried the plugs will be too hot .
Dunno if that helps you any ......
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Pull the idle back to factory, and that cam will lope... like thisFbSTDwagon wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:39 pm The cam isn’t really lumping too hard at idle but it idles nicely, so it is very clear there is a long way to go to get the tune perfect.
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Lumpier than grandma's custard. Sounds cool, but by the time you spin the thing up to overcome the overlap they are a pig to drive. Much better with the idle set high.
Cheers,
Harv
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Had a mate drop over this arvo who is an old engine head and he helped set up the timing a lot better on the 219.
I had the timing set at 10 static and it was running really well when out with Clay the other day and since then I’ve been swapping plugs types and playing with gaps.
Seems we got best combination we can get so it’s not a total pig to drive and still got good tourque and power.
BP5 plugs gapped .040
Timing set at 5 static with idle at about 620-650.
Idles pretty smooth and sounds a bit lumpy in the exhaust.
Damo showed me how to get an idea of what the dizzy curve is doing by using a timing light.
Disconnected the vacuum hose and blocked it and revved it up and down between 2500-3000 rpm.
Using the adjustable timing light he increased the numbers so the light always flicked into the TDC mark of the balancer.
At 10 static the dizzy was curving mechanically up to total 36-37 degrees at those high revs. Also it was idling pretty roughly.
Slowly retarded the static back bit by bit to 5 degrees and the total was about 30 degrees at revs.
Apparently a max of 30 degrees total is a good number in his books for a somewhat worked motor.
End result is a nice smooth idle with a little lump in the exhaust, the engine is not shaking at idle and it’s smooth to drive, and it’s still got similar if not the same torque and power.
Really interesting to learn some tricks off the old boy, especially when I really wanted to learn about dizzy curves and how they work.
He gave me a good schooling today.
I had the timing set at 10 static and it was running really well when out with Clay the other day and since then I’ve been swapping plugs types and playing with gaps.
Seems we got best combination we can get so it’s not a total pig to drive and still got good tourque and power.
BP5 plugs gapped .040
Timing set at 5 static with idle at about 620-650.
Idles pretty smooth and sounds a bit lumpy in the exhaust.
Damo showed me how to get an idea of what the dizzy curve is doing by using a timing light.
Disconnected the vacuum hose and blocked it and revved it up and down between 2500-3000 rpm.
Using the adjustable timing light he increased the numbers so the light always flicked into the TDC mark of the balancer.
At 10 static the dizzy was curving mechanically up to total 36-37 degrees at those high revs. Also it was idling pretty roughly.
Slowly retarded the static back bit by bit to 5 degrees and the total was about 30 degrees at revs.
Apparently a max of 30 degrees total is a good number in his books for a somewhat worked motor.
End result is a nice smooth idle with a little lump in the exhaust, the engine is not shaking at idle and it’s smooth to drive, and it’s still got similar if not the same torque and power.
Really interesting to learn some tricks off the old boy, especially when I really wanted to learn about dizzy curves and how they work.
He gave me a good schooling today.
Drew
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Yes that is a killer exhaust note Harv. I remember you sent me a small clip like this when I was trying to decide on a cam and yeah I ordered the 82 grind straight awayHarv wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:55 amPull the idle back to factory, and that cam will lope... like thisFbSTDwagon wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:39 pm The cam isn’t really lumping too hard at idle but it idles nicely, so it is very clear there is a long way to go to get the tune perfect.
Youtube
Lumpier than grandma's custard. Sounds cool, but by the time you spin the thing up to overcome the overlap they are a pig to drive. Much better with the idle set high.
Cheers,
Harv
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Was cleaning out an old Viscount caravan yesterday that I’m getting ready to flip and found this dash in the wardrobe.
Anyone recognise what model car it would be out of?
Gonna sell it I think.
Anyone recognise what model car it would be out of?
Gonna sell it I think.
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Dunno , at first I thought Valiant but maybe its Japanese, any clues on the back of it ????
I started with nothing and still have most of it left.
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VJ-VK Valiant.
Cheers,
Harv
Cheers,
Harv
327 Chev EK wagon, original EK ute for Number 1 Daughter, an FB sedan meth monster project and a BB/MD grey motored FED.
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No clues other than a stamp saying VDO AUSTRALIABlacky wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:03 am Dunno , at first I thought Valiant but maybe its Japanese, any clues on the back of it ????
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Cheers Harv, it’s certainly no good to me so I’ll research what it’s worth and put a for sale post up on a Valiant page.
Thanks mate!
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Hey guys. Thought I check back in.
I did something a bit risky and exciting today.
I went to a deceased estate workshop sale and came home with a shelf load of new and NOS parts.
Holden, &*#@, VW and god know what more.
Took all day to load it up and there is a lot there, it will take some time to work out what’s what but I can see there is some good stuff in there.
A couple of photos and I’ll post more when I get it layed out.
I did something a bit risky and exciting today.
I went to a deceased estate workshop sale and came home with a shelf load of new and NOS parts.
Holden, &*#@, VW and god know what more.
Took all day to load it up and there is a lot there, it will take some time to work out what’s what but I can see there is some good stuff in there.
A couple of photos and I’ll post more when I get it layed out.
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