Hi all
i posted this question with my intro to the forum on xmas day. Thought i would ask again here to see if anyone can help.
I want to run a VK 5 speed behind a grey motor in my FB ute. i have HR disc brake front end out of an eh to fit up shortly after i reregister the ute next month.
I believe that the modified cross member(HR to EH) will fit straight into the FB. Correct Yes/ No???
I will have to drill the two holes for the front engine mount in the front outrigger tongue. the car has a gearbox cross member so hopefully i can adapt whatever rear mounting is needed to hold the back of the box up.
What i need to know is there someone out there that makes rear engine mounts to suit the VK bell housing behind the 138???
also seeing as though the VK clutch was cable operated what slave cylinder and
throw out fork".do i use
I am aware that i have to go with a bigger transmission tunnel and there is a good chance that the original tailshaft wont be the right length. No worries there have welder will travel and can drop tailshaft at a drive train specialist for modification and balancing.
Can anyone nlighten me on where i get the engine mounts or whois car can i run a tape measure over to get ythe right measurements to make my own.
Thanks in advance people
Reddo.
Grey with borg warner T5 5 speed
Grey with borg warner T5 5 speed
Holden .. australian car for australian conditions.....partyin', drinkin' ,cruisin' and rootin'
Not having much luck yet are you Reddo 
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Give a phone call to Dellow conversions in Revesby, Sydney on 02 9774 4419. They have been doing conversions since the '60's and should be able to give you some advice and maybe have some parts you'll need to convert.
Also try Castlemaine Rod Shop in Chewton Vic on 03 5472 2853.They have also been doing conversions for years as well.
In the meantime I'll throw up your question on the FE/FC forum for you and see if there is anyone there that can help.
To fit the EH to HR front end is a straight bolt in however I believe you will have to take the EH/HR outrigger off and fit the FB/EK one on.Not a big job,just a bit of stuffing around grinding and welding.
I have an FB/EK outrigger here at home that is ready to weld in if you need one.
Terry.
.Give a phone call to Dellow conversions in Revesby, Sydney on 02 9774 4419. They have been doing conversions since the '60's and should be able to give you some advice and maybe have some parts you'll need to convert.
Also try Castlemaine Rod Shop in Chewton Vic on 03 5472 2853.They have also been doing conversions for years as well.
In the meantime I'll throw up your question on the FE/FC forum for you and see if there is anyone there that can help.
To fit the EH to HR front end is a straight bolt in however I believe you will have to take the EH/HR outrigger off and fit the FB/EK one on.Not a big job,just a bit of stuffing around grinding and welding.
I have an FB/EK outrigger here at home that is ready to weld in if you need one.
Terry.
I can't think what to write here so this will do.
Thanks Terry
I emailed Dellows the otherday and have had no reply. might be on holidays???
I didnt think there was any difference between an EH outrigger and an FB/EK outrigger. is there some difference in the shape on the top side or is it the length that is different???
Thought i could just fit the modified EH cross member in and drill the two holes for the front engine mount of the grey.
Anyway Terry thanks for the info. might take you up on the offer of an otrigger if it turns out to be needed,
Reddo
I emailed Dellows the otherday and have had no reply. might be on holidays???
I didnt think there was any difference between an EH outrigger and an FB/EK outrigger. is there some difference in the shape on the top side or is it the length that is different???
Thought i could just fit the modified EH cross member in and drill the two holes for the front engine mount of the grey.
Anyway Terry thanks for the info. might take you up on the offer of an otrigger if it turns out to be needed,
Reddo
Holden .. australian car for australian conditions.....partyin', drinkin' ,cruisin' and rootin'
Hi Guys.
Just one trivial point. The 5-speed used in VH & VK 6 cylinder Commodores is not a Borg-Warner T5. The T5 was used in HDT & HSV VL SS Group As & then as an option behind V6s & V8s in VN to VS.
The 5-speed in the VH/VK 6s is made by Borg-Warner, has the ID of 007 & is a close relative of the box used in early eighties Sigmas & Falcon 6s.
Dr Terry.
Just one trivial point. The 5-speed used in VH & VK 6 cylinder Commodores is not a Borg-Warner T5. The T5 was used in HDT & HSV VL SS Group As & then as an option behind V6s & V8s in VN to VS.
The 5-speed in the VH/VK 6s is made by Borg-Warner, has the ID of 007 & is a close relative of the box used in early eighties Sigmas & Falcon 6s.
Dr Terry.
Thanks for that Dr Terry.
I have recieved a reply from dellow eng. They have stated that the only box they do not make an adaptor bell housing for is the borg warner which has 8 bolts ( 4 either side ) that hold the bell housing to the box and has cable clutch operation ( VH / VK)..
No prizes for guessing what gearbox i have laying on the shed floor .
I can buy a HR Ute fitted with 161 / headers / supra 5 speed / disc front end with booster for $1200. Ute has rusted out sills and gaurds but is mechanically very good
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I was hoping to "stay grey" but the 161 / 5 spd is looking like a good option.
i have already cut the trans hump out of a HJ sedan and have the disc front end with modified mounts ready to go.
Dont want to start another thread just to get an answer to this question: If i do use the 161 / 5sp Can anyone tell me if the tailshaft out of HR will slot straight into the FB/Ek ... length??? will it need to be shortened
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Cheers all
Reddo
I have recieved a reply from dellow eng. They have stated that the only box they do not make an adaptor bell housing for is the borg warner which has 8 bolts ( 4 either side ) that hold the bell housing to the box and has cable clutch operation ( VH / VK)..
No prizes for guessing what gearbox i have laying on the shed floor
.I can buy a HR Ute fitted with 161 / headers / supra 5 speed / disc front end with booster for $1200. Ute has rusted out sills and gaurds but is mechanically very good
.I was hoping to "stay grey" but the 161 / 5 spd is looking like a good option.
i have already cut the trans hump out of a HJ sedan and have the disc front end with modified mounts ready to go.
Dont want to start another thread just to get an answer to this question: If i do use the 161 / 5sp Can anyone tell me if the tailshaft out of HR will slot straight into the FB/Ek ... length??? will it need to be shortened
.Cheers all
Reddo
Holden .. australian car for australian conditions.....partyin', drinkin' ,cruisin' and rootin'
Reddo, I haven't got my Supra box anymore to measure for you but from memory it was longer than the original 3 speed Holden box so I'd guess that you would have to shorten the HR tailshaft which is probably betterer and cheaper than haveing to lengthen one.
Terry.
Terry.
I can't think what to write here so this will do.
Hi Terry
The HR ute will already have a shortened tailshaft as it is running the 161/supra box at the moment.
Sorta hoping that the lot will just slot straight into my ute without too much stuffing about. My ute has a back crossmember so hopefully it will hold things up at the back. If not i will use the HR C/member.
having a complete car to rat the bits of makes a conversion like this so much easier than buying a bit at a time and modifying as you go...... I hope!!!
Reddo
reddo
The HR ute will already have a shortened tailshaft as it is running the 161/supra box at the moment.
Sorta hoping that the lot will just slot straight into my ute without too much stuffing about. My ute has a back crossmember so hopefully it will hold things up at the back. If not i will use the HR C/member.
having a complete car to rat the bits of makes a conversion like this so much easier than buying a bit at a time and modifying as you go...... I hope!!!
Reddo
reddo
Holden .. australian car for australian conditions.....partyin', drinkin' ,cruisin' and rootin'
Whoops thats right, you did say it already ran the 161/supra didn't you 
........ I was thinking 161 and original drivetrain. HR ute seems to be a longer ute than FB/EK ute so I'd guess that the tailshaft would still probably have to be shortened......and that IS a guess....... I'm probably wrong however 
... you might be lucky and it might be exactly right.
Definately having a doner car with all set up is certainly far better than going from scratch even though its in a later model.I reckon that shed of invention of yours is going to be a production warehouse soon
Wish you weren't so bloody far away.... I'd come give you a hand just for the experience.........I just love working on projects with other peoples money
Terry.
Just had a look in my copy of 45 years of Holden which co-incidently is co-written by Dr Terry above.....no, not this Terry...... I ain't that smart
According to it the FB/EK wheelbase is 105 inches ( van,wagon,ute,sedan must be the same) and HD/HR Holden wheelbase is 106 inches (again must be same through all variations) so you may be lucky with the HR wheelbase being longerer than the FB/EK wheelbase.
Hope all this dribble of mine is of use.
........ I was thinking 161 and original drivetrain. HR ute seems to be a longer ute than FB/EK ute so I'd guess that the tailshaft would still probably have to be shortened......and that IS a guess....... I'm probably wrong however ... you might be lucky and it might be exactly right.Definately having a doner car with all set up is certainly far better than going from scratch even though its in a later model.I reckon that shed of invention of yours is going to be a production warehouse soon
Wish you weren't so bloody far away.... I'd come give you a hand just for the experience.........I just love working on projects with other peoples money
Terry.
Just had a look in my copy of 45 years of Holden which co-incidently is co-written by Dr Terry above.....no, not this Terry...... I ain't that smart
According to it the FB/EK wheelbase is 105 inches ( van,wagon,ute,sedan must be the same) and HD/HR Holden wheelbase is 106 inches (again must be same through all variations) so you may be lucky with the HR wheelbase being longerer than the FB/EK wheelbase.
Hope all this dribble of mine is of use.
I can't think what to write here so this will do.
hey reddo i recently bought a celica 5 speed conversion for my fb it is a celica 5 speed with tailshaft and crossmember to suit fb the tailshaft is definitly shorter than original ,so maybe the celica and supra box might be the same size i could measure the celica box and tailshaft for u if u like my mate had a supra box in his hr it was like driving a new car hpoefully the celica steel case box will be just as good
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mrs ratbox