My new Fb
My new Fb
Another job off the list. The oil pressure light wasn’t coming on. I pulled the lead off the switch and touched it to earth and the light came to life, so out with the switch.
It was showing an open circuit with the meter, so I poured some solvent in and pressed the plunger up and down a few times, but no luck.
After checking out original switches online, I decided that for now I’d put up with a $13.59 Tridon switch rather than a $100-$200 ridgey didge one. Off to the shop to get a new one. Tridon recommend the TPS029 for the FB, but I got a TPS061 instead as it had a simple spade connection. It’s a slightly smaller unit than the 029 and requires a 25mm Spanner rather than a 27mm. It open circuits at the same 0.4 bar pressure.
Old vs new
Installed
All connected and I have another light that comes on when I turn the key, and they both go out when I start the mighty grey. You bewdy.
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It was showing an open circuit with the meter, so I poured some solvent in and pressed the plunger up and down a few times, but no luck.
After checking out original switches online, I decided that for now I’d put up with a $13.59 Tridon switch rather than a $100-$200 ridgey didge one. Off to the shop to get a new one. Tridon recommend the TPS029 for the FB, but I got a TPS061 instead as it had a simple spade connection. It’s a slightly smaller unit than the 029 and requires a 25mm Spanner rather than a 27mm. It open circuits at the same 0.4 bar pressure.
Old vs new
Installed
All connected and I have another light that comes on when I turn the key, and they both go out when I start the mighty grey. You bewdy.
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My new Fb
Next job was to fix the dash lights that weren’t working. I put power to the grey wire that went to the dash lights and all four worked, so it’s another switch issue.
I removed the switch and found the coiled resistor wire was pretty dirty and the rotor and contact ring had a touch of “verdigris”.
So with a few squirts of Ballistol and contact cleaner, together with a toothbrush, emery cloth and jewellers file, I got it pretty clean.
Bench test seemed ok
Put it all back in and another win
Lowest setting ...
... and highest setting
The switch has a spare terminal and pretty heavy points contactor which I assume was used in another type of vehicle - anyone know?
With a bit of time left in the day, I tackled the rear right hand number plate light that wasn’t working. I removed the unit and found the globe was fine, and it looked pretty obvious what the problem might be
I damaged the little bakelite washer that insulates the positive terminal from the earthed globe holder body
I thought I was up for a new globe holder at first, but then thought I’d have a go at making an insulator. After butchering a plastic jar lid, I ended up with this
The globe holder was badly rusted and I ended up using a poor man’s Dremel tool with a couple of different inserts to remove all the crap
The globe holder needs to make contact with the lens unit which then earths to the bumper over rider with the mounting screw. These also needed a decent scrub to find clean metal.
And now we’ve got two working lights
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I removed the switch and found the coiled resistor wire was pretty dirty and the rotor and contact ring had a touch of “verdigris”.
So with a few squirts of Ballistol and contact cleaner, together with a toothbrush, emery cloth and jewellers file, I got it pretty clean.
Bench test seemed ok
Put it all back in and another win
Lowest setting ...
... and highest setting
The switch has a spare terminal and pretty heavy points contactor which I assume was used in another type of vehicle - anyone know?
With a bit of time left in the day, I tackled the rear right hand number plate light that wasn’t working. I removed the unit and found the globe was fine, and it looked pretty obvious what the problem might be
I damaged the little bakelite washer that insulates the positive terminal from the earthed globe holder body
I thought I was up for a new globe holder at first, but then thought I’d have a go at making an insulator. After butchering a plastic jar lid, I ended up with this
The globe holder was badly rusted and I ended up using a poor man’s Dremel tool with a couple of different inserts to remove all the crap
The globe holder needs to make contact with the lens unit which then earths to the bumper over rider with the mounting screw. These also needed a decent scrub to find clean metal.
And now we’ve got two working lights
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Fun fun fun. Verdegris - sounds like a Renault paint colour. Those little lights are precious.
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Next job I tackled was to see why my fuel gauge was reading past “Full” when the ignition was turned on, indicating a possible open circuit.
I used some 30 ohm resistors in parallel to get different readings.
I’d read that the gauge is supposed to read empty to full in the range of 0 to 30 ohms. The photos in order show:
- open circuit
- 30 ohms
- 15 ohms
- 7.5 ohms
So, with the gauge working, I removed the fuel sender which had no gasket installed and one of the 5 screws was snapped off - I later drilled this out to replace the screw.
As there was still fuel in the tank, I quickly made up a temporary paper gasket and used the fuel sender from my FC wagon to stop fumes coming out.
As a comparison, the FB sedan sender is on the left and the FC wagon on the right, which has a shorter lever due to a shallower tank.
I drilled out the two copper rivets, separated the two main parts, and found a peened post had snapped off, resulting in a few loose and broken bits inside.
There was a broken brass shim type piece that kept me pondering for days what it’s purpose was. I started another thread to see if anyone knew what it was, but no luck. So I removed the FC sender, which also wasn’t working, and pulled it apart to find out - I had to make a blanking plate for the fuel tank as I had no more senders to use
The blanking plate
I worked out that this little broken bit provided a “short” for the resistor. Without it, the resistance would be somewhere in the range of 8 to 12 ohms, or a quarter to a third of a tank when the tank was empty. This is because the copper contact on the other half of the unit (this runs along the resistor as the level changes) touches the resistor about half an inch from the positive terminal post, where it would read almost zero ohms.
The trick here was to make this “shim” the correct length. As you can’t see where the contact sits when the unit is closed, it’s a bit of guess work.
The FC unit with the arrows showing the shim with a couple of tabs sticking out either side of the resistor and Bakelite insulator.
The new bit made from brass shim - the broken one alongside. The new one doesn’t have the tabs and I’m not sure what effect this may have down the track.
To put all the bits back together, I first cleaned everything then drilled a hole about 1/4” deep into the positive post from inside the unit - just big enough to fit some copper wire a bit larger than 2mm diameter.
I forgot to take shots to show what I did next so, in case anyone’s interested, I’ve quickly made a mock up of what I did using a similar sized screw and some scrap sheet metal
The drilled screw
The screw was then heated with a gas torch on low heat, and the drilled hole was filled with solder and the copper put inside the hole while the solder was still molten.
I then fit all the pieces (scrap sheet metal used in this mock up) on the copper wire and then cut and squared off the copper wire, leaving it proud by about 1mm
Next, I used a centre punch to slightly spread the end of the copper wire before peening it with a ball pein hammer
This worked well, but when I heated up the terminal post, I burnt the insulator between the post and sender body, so I made a new one out of some 3mm Teflon sheet I had.
I put it all together using 2 brass screws and nuts until I get the copper rivets that should be here some time this year on the slow boat from China. I looked around but couldn’t find any locally.
Then for testing, showing empty, half and full
The mounting screws were all different and washers damaged so I’ll grab a new set from Rares next time I’m up that way. The gasket in their kit appears to be rubber and I think the originals were cork - anyone know if one is better than the other?
Feeling pretty pleased with the result, I thought I’d tackle the FC sender. The problem here was in the other half of the unit. The “springy shim thingy” that goes from the contactor to the body to complete the circuit had snapped into 3 pieces. The arrows show the two bits that should be joined and the second photo shows the bit that goes between.
I cut the remaining bits of shim off and, after a good clean to reveal shiny copper, I put dobs of solder on the two terminals, then cut some brass shim to solder on and replace the original shim.
It’s a little rough but works, and only time will tell how long it’ll last. It tested at 11 to 41 ohms instead of 0 to 30, so I’ll have to bend the wire lever to fine tune it, but that can wait until I get back on the FC...........
Well, the end of another epic but hope someone finds it useful or interesting. I had fun doing it.
Cheers,
John
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I used some 30 ohm resistors in parallel to get different readings.
I’d read that the gauge is supposed to read empty to full in the range of 0 to 30 ohms. The photos in order show:
- open circuit
- 30 ohms
- 15 ohms
- 7.5 ohms
So, with the gauge working, I removed the fuel sender which had no gasket installed and one of the 5 screws was snapped off - I later drilled this out to replace the screw.
As there was still fuel in the tank, I quickly made up a temporary paper gasket and used the fuel sender from my FC wagon to stop fumes coming out.
As a comparison, the FB sedan sender is on the left and the FC wagon on the right, which has a shorter lever due to a shallower tank.
I drilled out the two copper rivets, separated the two main parts, and found a peened post had snapped off, resulting in a few loose and broken bits inside.
There was a broken brass shim type piece that kept me pondering for days what it’s purpose was. I started another thread to see if anyone knew what it was, but no luck. So I removed the FC sender, which also wasn’t working, and pulled it apart to find out - I had to make a blanking plate for the fuel tank as I had no more senders to use
The blanking plate
I worked out that this little broken bit provided a “short” for the resistor. Without it, the resistance would be somewhere in the range of 8 to 12 ohms, or a quarter to a third of a tank when the tank was empty. This is because the copper contact on the other half of the unit (this runs along the resistor as the level changes) touches the resistor about half an inch from the positive terminal post, where it would read almost zero ohms.
The trick here was to make this “shim” the correct length. As you can’t see where the contact sits when the unit is closed, it’s a bit of guess work.
The FC unit with the arrows showing the shim with a couple of tabs sticking out either side of the resistor and Bakelite insulator.
The new bit made from brass shim - the broken one alongside. The new one doesn’t have the tabs and I’m not sure what effect this may have down the track.
To put all the bits back together, I first cleaned everything then drilled a hole about 1/4” deep into the positive post from inside the unit - just big enough to fit some copper wire a bit larger than 2mm diameter.
I forgot to take shots to show what I did next so, in case anyone’s interested, I’ve quickly made a mock up of what I did using a similar sized screw and some scrap sheet metal
The drilled screw
The screw was then heated with a gas torch on low heat, and the drilled hole was filled with solder and the copper put inside the hole while the solder was still molten.
I then fit all the pieces (scrap sheet metal used in this mock up) on the copper wire and then cut and squared off the copper wire, leaving it proud by about 1mm
Next, I used a centre punch to slightly spread the end of the copper wire before peening it with a ball pein hammer
This worked well, but when I heated up the terminal post, I burnt the insulator between the post and sender body, so I made a new one out of some 3mm Teflon sheet I had.
I put it all together using 2 brass screws and nuts until I get the copper rivets that should be here some time this year on the slow boat from China. I looked around but couldn’t find any locally.
Then for testing, showing empty, half and full
The mounting screws were all different and washers damaged so I’ll grab a new set from Rares next time I’m up that way. The gasket in their kit appears to be rubber and I think the originals were cork - anyone know if one is better than the other?
Feeling pretty pleased with the result, I thought I’d tackle the FC sender. The problem here was in the other half of the unit. The “springy shim thingy” that goes from the contactor to the body to complete the circuit had snapped into 3 pieces. The arrows show the two bits that should be joined and the second photo shows the bit that goes between.
I cut the remaining bits of shim off and, after a good clean to reveal shiny copper, I put dobs of solder on the two terminals, then cut some brass shim to solder on and replace the original shim.
It’s a little rough but works, and only time will tell how long it’ll last. It tested at 11 to 41 ohms instead of 0 to 30, so I’ll have to bend the wire lever to fine tune it, but that can wait until I get back on the FC...........
Well, the end of another epic but hope someone finds it useful or interesting. I had fun doing it.
Cheers,
John
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Bloody clever John. What do you do in your spare time?
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Haha. Lately I’ve been climbing large gum trees in the backyard with a chainsaw to keep the neighbour happy, and not spending enough time on the FB.Errol62 wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:36 am What do you do in your spare time?
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My new Fb
I needed to use my spirit level and remembered it had been repurposed as a FB boot lid holder upperah as the lid wouldn’t stay open on its own.
So, let’s try and fix it. I noticed the left (top photo) and right hinge springs were set up different - the right looked wrong as it was trying to uncoil the spring
Following the workshop manual, I used a screwdriver to remove the spring
I then made the spring installation tool as described in the workshop manual
When I put the spring back as it should be (a bit of skin, blood and choice words involved), it made a loud bang and popped back to the same position as before
Prior to using tool to put back in position
I removed the spring again and found the pivot hole was flogged out
Referring to the manual again, I bent back the tab to remove the pivot pin and took off the whole hinge assembly for repair
Using the Metal In Gap (MIG) technique , I filled the worn area and tacked in a 1/8” disc to help with centre punching and drilling a new 5/8” hole
A lick of paint and reinstalled
Look Grandma, no hands!
In the reinstalled photo above, the pivot hole in the top left corner looks like it may be flogged out as well, or maybe it’s supposed to be elongated??
The left hinge is probably in a similar condition but, as it now works, this is delegated to a “after I get it licensed” job...... yeh, right.
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So, let’s try and fix it. I noticed the left (top photo) and right hinge springs were set up different - the right looked wrong as it was trying to uncoil the spring
Following the workshop manual, I used a screwdriver to remove the spring
I then made the spring installation tool as described in the workshop manual
When I put the spring back as it should be (a bit of skin, blood and choice words involved), it made a loud bang and popped back to the same position as before
Prior to using tool to put back in position
I removed the spring again and found the pivot hole was flogged out
Referring to the manual again, I bent back the tab to remove the pivot pin and took off the whole hinge assembly for repair
Using the Metal In Gap (MIG) technique , I filled the worn area and tacked in a 1/8” disc to help with centre punching and drilling a new 5/8” hole
A lick of paint and reinstalled
Look Grandma, no hands!
In the reinstalled photo above, the pivot hole in the top left corner looks like it may be flogged out as well, or maybe it’s supposed to be elongated??
The left hinge is probably in a similar condition but, as it now works, this is delegated to a “after I get it licensed” job...... yeh, right.
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John,
Your boot hinge spring pins are broken.
Richard Thomas (FE-FC forum) sells replacement boot hinge spring pivot kits. I've fitted them successfully to my FC.
Try this link: http://forum.fefcholden.club/index.php?topic=10609.0
Rob
Your boot hinge spring pins are broken.
Richard Thomas (FE-FC forum) sells replacement boot hinge spring pivot kits. I've fitted them successfully to my FC.
Try this link: http://forum.fefcholden.club/index.php?topic=10609.0
Rob
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Good work John,
Unlike newer cars your repair will see you right for another 50 yrs, those springs will never need regassing!
Regards
Stephen
Unlike newer cars your repair will see you right for another 50 yrs, those springs will never need regassing!
Regards
Stephen
A day in the shed beats a day at work!
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Thanks, Rob. They look a great idea and I've PM'd RET. I thought the post / central spring setup was a bit odd, but as both sides looked the same I ASS-umed it was ok - it all makes sense now. I'll get some new ones and put them on my "to do" list.ardiesse wrote: Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:41 pm John,
Your boot hinge spring pins are broken.
Richard Thomas (FE-FC forum) sells replacement boot hinge spring pivot kits. I've fitted them successfully to my FC.
Try this link: http://forum.fefcholden.club/index.php?topic=10609.0
Rob
Cheers,
John
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Thanks, Stephen Looks like I'll have to replace the spring posts though, as Rob mentioned. When I do that, I'll check all the other flogged out bits and fix them on both sides. Then it'll be better than a bought oneIn the Shed wrote: Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:40 pm Good work John,
Unlike newer cars your repair will see you right for another 50 yrs, those springs will never need regassing!
Regards
Stephen
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Looks Great Mate
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Heh John, I was very interested in the manufacture of the hinge Spring tool.
A lot of years ago now, I worked for a company (Litchfield Tools ), that made them and all the other " service tool" for early Holden.
If only I had loaded up the car when they closed the business.
Roger
A lot of years ago now, I worked for a company (Litchfield Tools ), that made them and all the other " service tool" for early Holden.
If only I had loaded up the car when they closed the business.
Roger
There is a right way and a wrong way and then there is my way which is usually the long way.
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Thanks, Mark.