Don't add-up the bills :-(

[Stygian]

Well said. Few people have a complete understanding of how much is involved in starting a family. I guess this Paul guy is going to give us a lecture on that too.

When someone with as much experience as Paul has in his chosen field gives advice - I listen to him .

He never gives advice, that's the thing. All I've seen him do is scold and lecture those on this forum who are restoring cars themselves. He has said nothing at all which has helped me, but others who have less ego and more humility have. I get the impression he considers himself a cut above the rest. Well, why doesn't he go and find some US hotrod forum in which he can associate himself with others he considers to be of equal stature, and leave us alone?

[Stygian]

Buy early Holden, with investment and restoration costs look at roughty spending $30,000
Maybe a bit more or a bit less depending on what you can do.
Same running costs over the 5 years and what do I have.
A car worth $20.000 to $25,000
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it fellas.

Good to meet you at the last club meeting Wayne. If you have Russell helping you, you will end up with a very nice car.

[WayneXG95]

Good to meet you at the last club meeting Wayne. If you have Russell helping you, you will end up with a very nice car.

Cheers..

Why do people just pick the bits they wish to use from a post when it was intended that the post was to be read as a whole so it dosen't loose it's context..
It was posted as a principle not as an example. it was also an idle post and I'm not going to ad comment on it....

[Blacky]

He never gives advice, that's the thing. All I've seen him do is scold and lecture those on this forum who are restoring cars themselves. He has said nothing at all which has helped me, but others who have less ego and more humility have. I get the impression he considers himself a cut above the rest. Well, why doesn't he go and find some US hotrod forum in which he can associate himself with others he considers to be of equal stature, and leave us alone?

Have you seen his work ? He IS a cut above the rest

We are lucky to have him on this forum IMHO , I am not going to comment further.

[Stygian]

Have you seen his work ? He IS a cut above the rest We are lucky to have him on this forum IMHO , I am not going to comment further.

To answer your question, yes, I have seen one hotrod that he has built. Indeed it is very impressive. But that does not justify the attitude he appears to convey to those backyard restorers for who this is just a hobby. If he feels frustrated by the efforts of those less skilled or experienced than he, then he should associate himself with those he considers to be his peers.

If he does judge others, then maybe he should be reminded that hotrods are very technologically crude and far from the pinnacle of automotive design. No hotrod is a Ferrari 458 Italia or Alfa Romeo 8C. Just as he may judge the efforts of those restorers less skilled than he, if he took some of his design ideas to Ferrari or Porsche, he would get laughed out of the building.

That's it from me too.

[Devilrod]

Maybe have a look here Stygian.

http://www.fbekholden.com/forum/viewtop ... =11&t=7644

I'll only add mine was built cheaply for a few reasons. No rechroming just swap meet finds, 5 plus years ago parts were definitely cheaper and I modified not restored. Far easier

[Smooth customs]

Have you seen his work ? He IS a cut above the rest We are lucky to have him on this forum IMHO , I am not going to comment further.

To answer your question, yes, I have seen one hotrod that he has built. Indeed it is very impressive. But that does not justify the attitude he appears to convey to those backyard restorers for who this is just a hobby. If he feels frustrated by the efforts of those less skilled or experienced than he, then he should associate himself with those he considers to be his peers.

If he does judge others, then maybe he should be reminded that hotrods are very technologically crude and far from the pinnacle of automotive design. No hotrod is a Ferrari 458 Italia or Alfa Romeo 8C. Just as he may judge the efforts of those restorers less skilled than he, if he took some of his design ideas to Ferrari or Porsche, he would get laughed out of the building.

That's it from me too.

So you dont like my comments and the tone of my typing!
And you base your reply as to the type of person I am on this. Without ever meeting me.

You think I look down on the enthusiasts who chooses to do as much as he possibly can on his car at home, and hone his skills doing so.
If you read my posts carefully based on the topic they related to you may understand them better. Unfortunatly some people today mistake advice from someone that has already been there and made the mistakes as a personal attack on their abilities to do something.

I started my life long passion for all things automotive from my parents back yard, in the heat of summer and the bitter cold of winter. Till I was able to get access to my fathers one car garage.
This was in the days before Google, the internet and the ease of finding almost any information by just typing in a few words and waiting for the answers. and with the bare minimum of tools. Like so many others of my generation

The venting of your replys is in a way no different to what you are posting about how you have percieved my comments. But with one difference.
I have the long involvement in areas of what I post a reply on, and can back it up.
Your slangs at me are without any knowledge of who I am and what I have done. And if it makes you feel any better, go for it. As they have no real effect on me.

This last post shows how little you do know about me
One day you may find out my involvement outside the hobby/enthusiast areas, in the Automotive, transport and aftermarket industries to mention just a few. But I doubt that would be of any interest, as it would discredit some of your previous posts
I would like to thank those that spoke on my behalf, and their support before I had a chance to reply.

My last comment on this topic as well

[my70wg]

people are to sensitive these days.... man up a bit (not directed at paul either )
they hear something they dont like, and bitch and whinge about it.

aidan...

[Trev]

Stygian, please don't take this as me taking sides or anything like it, but!
After meeting Paul at his work shop a couple of years ago I have to say he welcomed me in and answered any question I had and never made me feel like I was getting in his way or taking too much of his time at all, a friendlier person I have never met.
Then reading some of his posts on here to people I can say that I understand your perception of him, but you are only reading words on a computer, the fact that he gets to the point without using allot of smiley faces or other emoticons is what he is posting for, to get to the point not make people feel better about what they are doing.
It takes many people to create a good forum and I am glade he is one of us. Trev.

[Sputzwagon]

Thanks Trev....I'm in the middle of changing over computers (and brodband servers) to have been unable to answer Stygian's perceived perseptions of Paul & his (both mechanical & keyboard) tallents.
You hit the nail on the head. Paul is by no means stuck up or big headed (let's face it, if he was, WHY would he have anything to do with the likes of me?)
Some replies to posts can read wrong if you want to read them wrong.
Paul is a great bloke and a good mate...but I've known him for at least 20 ood years..so what what would you Stygian expect me to say...eh?
My 2 cents.

Scotty.

[Stygian]

If Paul is such a great guy, then why do his apologists feel the need to say so? Shouldn't it be evident in his behaviour? If he's such a great guy, why does Trev feel the need to change his language so as to not get flamed by Paul?

I've had my say, Paul had his right of reply and Trev's very even handed adjudication noted there was ample evidence in support of my perceptions. In case you feel I hold something personal against your friend of 20 years, then consider the following comment I made on the thread Devilrod referred to above (Paul's EK restoration for Ben, page 3):

Top stuff Paul and Ben, well done indeed! Great to see on the forum such a top quality and fastidious restoration to original condition. A really inspiring build. Cannot wait to see more progress pics.
Andrew

As you can see, I do not doubt his experience or talents at all, but I do not believe that this means I should tolerate his belittling the efforts of backyard restorers, or for him to claim copyright to the word "restoration". Despite his talents, I also do not believe that Pininfarina or Koenigsegg will ask him anytime soon for his thoughts on automotive design.

[MeFB]

How grumpy & up-himself can a man who looks like Papa Smurf be?

I'm looking forward to one day meeting the guy.

[Bluehaze]

At the risk of sounding like a sentimental old sooky pants... After owning, driving, repairing, maintaining and enjoying my EK for tha last 11 years, and 6 years on the ground-up rebuild of my FB, I must say these cars are like family members. I don't want to guess how much has been spent on either car, and care less. The idea of what I can sell either one for is as irrelevant as what my offspring are worth. After being 100% hands on with both cars, I reckon I'd sell a kidney before selling one of my old girls.
While we're talking about how much money we lose on our hobby, anyone own a boat?-there's money down the brasco!

[bootlegger]

At the risk of sounding like a sentimental old sooky pants... After owning, driving, repairing, maintaining and enjoying my EK for tha last 11 years, and 6 years on the ground-up rebuild of my FB, I must say these cars are like family members. I don't want to guess how much has been spent on either car, and care less. The idea of what I can sell either one for is as irrelevant as what my offspring are worth. After being 100% hands on with both cars, I reckon I'd sell a kidney before selling one of my old girls.
While we're talking about how much money we lose on our hobby, anyone own a boat?-there's money down the brasco!

Ge e I better get rid of my twenty boats. Ive lost all my money.

[Sputzwagon]

How grumpy & up-himself can a man who looks like Papa Smurf be?

I'm looking forward to one day meeting the guy.

That's better than callin' him a Garden Gnome!

Scotty.