Is this correct the way I have done this it is HR front end with torana rack. I am concerned that I have the steering arms on the wrong side & the ball joint, Does it come in from the top or the bottom I realize that it is tapered but if I have the arms on wrong than the ball joint will be wrong
Please help me
BILLY
BILLY BLACKARROW
MY Father always said do the hard part first --because when you are OVER IT you only have the easy part left to do THINGS I HAVE TRIED TO LIVE BY
You've got them on the right way Billy.
One thing though, and I found this out from personal experience with front mounted racks and this arrangement, you will have opposite toe out on turns. I had a FC sedan many years ago with the obligatory Chev (400SB), turbo 400, 9 inch....etc, and the worst part of the car, a Hadfield front end! It was utter crap with the front mounted rack as any amount of turning would cause the front tyres to scrub and the car would almost hop around corners.
You should have a read about "Ackerman's Principle" which essentially means that the steering arms should point back towards the centre line of the diff for you to have correct toe out on turns.
Makes you wonder how they ever got those front ends engineer approved considering the dramas with the ackerman/turning circle/bump steer issues they have
I started with nothing and still have most of it left.
Foundation member #61 of FB/EK Holden club of W.A.
This cant be right ?
I know I haven't tightened it up yet but I have put a jack under it to see how it will fit .There seem to be a lot of space above the outrigger that wont squash up until the car is lifting off the support stands. As early stated it is a HR front end, have I got the wrong rubber bush ie: FB/EK instead of a HR one ??????????
BILLY
BILLY BLACKARROW
MY Father always said do the hard part first --because when you are OVER IT you only have the easy part left to do THINGS I HAVE TRIED TO LIVE BY
Billy have you got the standard front rubber bushes that the front end sits on between it and the front frame? if they are nolathane you wont get any crush on them when you tighten the bolts and the front outrigger nose will sit lower.
If they are standard rubber you'll find that it will squash up a bit when done up tight and it will reduce the amount of clearance. Again this is another problem with using HR front ends on FB/EK's as the front nose has to be altered before fitting it to the front end (i.e. the HR outrigger is removed totally and your old FB/EK outrigger is bolted or welded to the HR front end. My front end had the same problem but not as bad once done up firm.
It is a CRS front end with the outrigger changed, I have the front end rubbers from Rare spares to suit HR front end into FB/EK, not the nolathane ones there is a difference in the shoulder section IE: one has a thicker shoulder than the other which one gos on the top thick or thin.
BILLY
BILLY BLACKARROW
MY Father always said do the hard part first --because when you are OVER IT you only have the easy part left to do THINGS I HAVE TRIED TO LIVE BY
has been a while since I did one of these. But a couple of things to check that may be throwing things out.
There is a short bolt and a long bolt for the front end to subframe, one of each on each side. If you have these back to front it would hold the subframe support lower as in your photo.
If you put the front end bolts in and do not tighten them. Then tighten the sub frame support it will sit better than it does now. Then torque the front end bolts up and watch the "crush" as you go.
Hope this helps.
I had the same problem after replacing my outrigger rubber on my original front end, the rare spares one didn't fit. So I sourced a new old stock genuine one, happy days
fbvan wrote:has been a while since I did one of these. But a couple of things to check that may be throwing things out.
There is a short bolt and a long bolt for the front end to subframe, one of each on each side. If you have these back to front it would hold the subframe support lower as in your photo.
If you put the front end bolts in and do not tighten them. Then tighten the sub frame support it will sit better than it does now. Then torque the front end bolts up and watch the "crush" as you go.
Hope this helps.
Regards
All 4 bolts are the same length for FE to EJ (5 1/2"). They changed to 5" for EH to HR. The front end sits square to the rails with all the rubbers being the same dimension. Once tensioned up (with internal spacer tubes) it should be square. The front outrigger generally sits slightly higher (closer to the front rail) so the larger of the rubber dimension goes to the bottom.
I seriously suggest there is an issue with the position of the outrigger where it has been welded to the front end. I have seen this from experience. If a FB/EK outrigger is fixed to a HD or HR front end you need to rework its mounting slightly to get the outrigger to sit slightly higher at its nose. This is due to a dimensional difference between FB/EK and HD/HR front ends.
Can someone post photos of end view FB/EK & HR outriggers please, I have measured the difference between the hole in the rubber block & the outrigger & the difference is 4mm there is also a (u)section at the bottom of my outrigger ==see last photo it just doesn't look right.
Good job I am not working for a boss
BILLY
BILLY BLACKARROW
MY Father always said do the hard part first --because when you are OVER IT you only have the easy part left to do THINGS I HAVE TRIED TO LIVE BY
Should look like this one. From the look of yours it is not to far from where it should be. Loosen the subframe mounts pull up the front bracket and see how it looks.
If no good then you need to talk to CRS.
Just seen the post and thought I'd jump in.
I experienced the same problem. Exchange front end from Rares with Rares new rubber kit and the outrigger nose ended up bout 27mm from bolting up. I had a heap of calls with them and took measurements and offsets but they had no explanation. Said they'd only sold 2 in about 3 years so hadn't had any feedback. I still haven't resolved the problem but plan to put a bit of RHS box section between frame and saddle to take up the gap.
TEDSEK
Yours fits around outrigger nose better than mine ,I am thinking of welding a bit of 3mm plate to the top of the nose to fill the gap.
BILLY
BILLY BLACKARROW
MY Father always said do the hard part first --because when you are OVER IT you only have the easy part left to do THINGS I HAVE TRIED TO LIVE BY
